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« Thread started on: May 10th, 2013, 4:08pm »

I was feeling a little nostalgic and decided to log into the site. I still use my VS1880 and VS Pro, and honestly I don't intend to make the leap to a computer based DAW for another 2-3 years...or more. I get great song demos with my VS, so why spend the money? (Heck, it's time to MAKE some money!) I've had some time away from recording, but I'm about to dig into some new stuff. Wondering who out there still uses VS Pro? I see we're up to 750 members, so there have to be some folks using it!

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« Reply #1 on: May 23rd, 2013, 1:28pm »

Hi Soundhaven,

Yes I'm still here. This place amazes me as it's the digital equivalent of a world that has been hit by an asteroid. Where is everybody? People seemed to just vanish overnight lol.

Still using my VS880 and VS1680. Great machines. I'm looking to update to a 64 bit version of VS Pro but no response from Datasonics. I wonder if they're still in business??

Another shame about this site is that the videos have been lost.

It would be great if we could get this site up and running again. Maybe some new posts would bring people back.

Anyway, it's great to hear from a fellow VS'er.

Cheers,

Jay.
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« Reply #2 on: Jun 3rd, 2013, 7:14pm »

Hey Jay,

Sorry it took me a while, but I wanted to thank you for your response. I have a feeling there are more of us VS'ers out there than are posting on any sites. I know in Nashville (where I live and make music), the machines still have a lot of respect.

That's a bummer that Datasonics hasn't been responsive. Sort of makes you feel even more on your own with VS Pro, doesn't it. Ah well, we'll muddle through somehow.

Anyway, thanks for checking in, and I'll try to get better about doing the same, even if it's just to keep other folks company.

Best,

Paul
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« Reply #3 on: Jun 25th, 2013, 4:38pm »

Hi Paul,

Apologies also for the time I've taken to respond, where does the time go?....

Yes I do believe that there are a lot of us VS'ers still around as these machines are solid, very capable and have more advanced functions than a lot of the newer crop of machines. In my opinion the VS gives that authentic 'studio desk' hands on feel that a computer and mouse cannot.

I did eventually get a response from Datasonics so they're definitely still in business (which is good). A 64 Bit version is available but I'm not sure if I'll buy it because I still have the older XP machine synced up with VS Pro. I'll see how I get on.

Anyway, best regards to you and I look forward to hearing more from Nashville (I'm in cold Blighty lol).

Cheers,

Jay
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« Reply #4 on: Apr 25th, 2014, 07:36am »

Hey Jay,

Can you tell I've been busy? Just now reading your last post from 2013! Seems I go through phases. I'm active recording demos and stuff, and then life takes over, or I'm more focused on songwriting and need to take time away from the studio. But I still consider VS Pro my mixing/editng platform.

I've been working with another songwriter on a demo using his setup, running Digital Performer on a Mac. I'm guessing it's been 4-5 times that he's had to reboot in the middle of a tracking session. The obscure error message pops up, and everything grinds to a halt. Meanwhile, the end product is no better (IMHO) than what I get on my VS1880 with the signal chain I have (good mics, great mic pre, great converter, good outboard gear, etc.). I guess my main sources of frustration (and the reason I don't take on many outside clients) are that I can't render to an mp3 on my VS, nor can I export or import WAV files. People are sharing tracks all over the web nowadays, which is super convenient. It's annoying to have to burn to a CD and rip to mp3, just to check a mix over my laptop. But for me, it's a small price to pay not to have to invest another $$$$ in a DAW and peripherals.

If there are any other VS users out there who want to share experiences or questions about VS Pro, do write. I will try to log in more frequently.
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« Reply #5 on: May 5th, 2014, 4:55pm »

Hi Paul,

It's great to hear from you.....and its reassuring to know that there's life in the old VS platform with VS Pro.

I'm having a love/hate relationship with VS Pro at the moment. I can't seem to get a good workflow with it but I know it's there to be had. I find my knowledge of how things work within VS Pro to be lacking. Right now I'm trying to get Input Mix and Track Mix working without touching the VS - I can't find the buss switch in the VS Pro mixer screen to route the audio. I'm running a VS880 VXPanded and VS1680 in sync. I just wish that there were better instructions for VS Pro. And I could really do with those FunkyBeat videos that were accidentally deleted!!!

You mentioned about exporting WAVs, one of the processes I'm really grateful for is the combination of CD2Roland and VS Wave Export that lets me do just that. OK I do have to burn a backup CD but it disciplines me to create backups. I then load all of the WAVs into Cubase - they all line up perfectly!!

If you could offer advice on your VS Pro workflow I would really appreciate it!! It's great to keep in touch.

Cheers,

Jay.
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« Reply #6 on: May 5th, 2014, 7:33pm »

on May 5th, 2014, 4:55pm, ThetaSig wrote:
You mentioned about exporting WAVs, one of the processes I'm really grateful for is the combination of CD2Roland and VS Wave Export that lets me do just that. OK I do have to burn a backup CD but it disciplines me to create backups. I then load all of the WAVs into Cubase - they all line up perfectly!!

If you could offer advice on your VS Pro workflow I would really appreciate it!!


Hi Jay,

Well, to be honest with you, I don't use VS Pro for tracking at all. I only boot it up when it comes time to mix. And as for mixing, I came to the realization that I'm more comfortable hands-on with my VS 1880. I use VS Pro primarily to streamline the work of cleaning up noisy sections of tracks (eliminating coughs and other noises from vocal takes, etc.), comping vocal takes, etc. And of course, to automate my mixes. I get heavy use of snapshots, and I refer back a lot to the Event Editor to make minor tweaks in level, EQ, etc. But I'm not someone who is doing everything on-screen with mouse in hand. In that sense, I'm not the poster child for VS Pro. But I will say that it is indispensible for doing the tasks I just mentioned, especially going back to make adjustments to my auto-mixes, sometimes months after the fact.

I was intrigued by your comment above about CD2 Roland and especially VS Wave Export. Can you enlighten me more about those? If I could have a quick, reliable way of exporting VS tracks to WAV files, that would solve 50% of my problem in terms of "playing well with others." I just haven't delved at all into the Funky Beat thread that is out there. Too many pages in the thread, I guess, and I allowed it to intimidate me.

Sorry about the problems you're having getting VS Pro to do everything you need. Maybe there are others lurking here who can offer more help than I can.

Best,

Paul
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« Reply #7 on: May 7th, 2014, 4:25pm »

Hi Paul,

It's great to hear from you again. It's reassuring to know that I'm not alone in not using all of the functionality of VS Pro. Like yourself, I find that using the unit hands on is quicker and more immediate. Another use of VS Pro is to store effects parameters. For Automix, is there a way to snapshot just one track? Or do you snapshot all tracks and then delete the tracks you don't need in the event editor?

The WAV ripping tools are amazing. Basically its very easy. (This is from memory lol so hopefully its OK).

Download CD2Roland from;

http://www.ps139.com/vs880ex/util/Cd2Rol021.zip

And download VS Wave Export from;

http://www.thegoodlibrary.com:8611/VSWaveExport.html

Set CD2Roland into a directory of your choice, run it from a dot prompt command by selecting the directory and typing "CD2Roland f:" (no inverted commas, the letter being the drive letter of your CD or DVD ROM drive (mine is f)). Before this put your backup VS1880 CD in the PC drive. The tool then unpacks your VS tracks into the directory in which you have installed CD2Roland.

Then......

Double click VSWaveExport, open the directory of your unpacked VS files (in Explorer) and drag the SONG file into the large white window. Click on this again, and a visual representation of your tracks appears in the grid on the right, click 'ALL', select the drive to unpack to and press 'Export'. VOILA - ALL of your VS tracks including virtual tracks are now separate WAV files to do with as you wish!! When loaded into a DAW they line up prefectly!!

The only thing to note is that you MAY get a call from your virus scanner saying that CD2Roland has a virus. No-one knows why this happens (it's a known issue) and I've never had any problems. As far as I know the developers have reassured us all that it is NOT a virus! I disable my virus protection just to run CD2Roland. My system deletes it otherwise lol.

Let me know how you get on!!!!

Cheers,

Jay.
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« Reply #8 on: May 12th, 2014, 8:57pm »

Jay,

First of all, thanks SO much for taking the time to walk me through this.

Just to show you how little I know, my eyes glaze over a little when you say, "CD2Roland into a directory of your choice, run it from a DOS prompt command by selecting the directory..." (I think I can follow the rest).

I'm not a complete technophobe, but I can relate to a friend of mine who once confided, "To me, a server is the person who brings me my drink."

If you're willing and able to provide a bit more "click here and type this", I'd be obliged. Sorry to be so clueless!

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Paul
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« Reply #9 on: May 17th, 2014, 09:24am »

Hi Paul,

No problem!! And sorry for the length of time taken to respond, I was away this week...

If I read your post correctly the part that is unclear is getting Cd2Roland into a directory and running it. So I'll try and explain a bit more.

Cd2Roland only runs within a DOS window so the first thing to do is place Cd2Roland.exe into any directory (this can be done using Windows Explorer). I have created a directory called 'VS Recorder Transfers' within 'My Documents'. Into this directory I have placed Cd2Roland.exe.

I then open up a DOS window by going into the Start menu (bottom left of screen), choosing 'All Programs' choosing 'Accessories' and choosing 'Command Prompt'. Then you need to get yourself into the directory that Cd2Roland.exe is located within.

As an example, if my directory structure is 'My Documents/VS Recorder Transfers' I would type 'cd My Documents' and press Enter, (the 'My Documents' directory should show in the window in the command prompt) and then 'cd VS recorder Transfers' to get into the directory in which Cd2Roland is located. If you need to go one directory higher in the tree you would type 'cd..' (cd dot dot).

In this way you should be able to navigate to the directory in which Cd2Roland.exe is located. (You should see that you are in the correct directory by reading the prompts in the DOS window).

Once you are in the correct directory, place your VS backup disk into your CD or DVD drive, type 'cd2roland' followed by a space and then followed by the letter for your CD or DVD drive and pressing 'Enter' - (you can find this letter out by going to 'Computer' from the start button (bottom left of screen)). the computer will then extract the files into the directory you are in. It will tell you in the DOS window when it has been successful.

Hopefully this is clearer, if not just let me know. Also if there is anything unclear in the next stages of this process, again let me know...

Good luck!!

Jay
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« Reply #10 on: May 19th, 2014, 11:23am »

Jay,

Thanks again for taking the time to post that process. It will be a good 7-10 days before I'm back in the studio, but I'll give this a try.

Best,

Paul
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