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xx Multiple Time Signatures - VS Pro Studio
« Thread started on: Apr 8th, 2006, 01:57am »

I would like Datasonics to update VS Pro STUDIO to include the ability to insert multiple time signatures within a song (e.g.; 4/4, 2/4, 4/4, 3/4, 4/4)... as can be done in VS Pro SCORE.

My reasoning is that multiple signature changes can be entered into the Tempo Map on the VS recorders and, as such, I would not like having to pay extra for Score (nearly $100) to retain a feature my recorder already has.

Thank you. Mike smiley
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xx Re: Multiple Time Signatures - VS Pro Studio
« Reply #1 on: Apr 26th, 2006, 11:33pm »

Hey Mike!

Thanks for posting your suggestion.

Just to give you some background on the history of VS Pro. They started off with a Full Sequencing/Notation/VS Workstation Control package but got feedback that users were unhappy to pay for all the functions when they already had a notation program or a sequencer so that is how VS Pro was born. They split the package down to the component parts and started selling them separately under the VS Pro banner. As time went by they cut the product range down to the 3 most popular items ToolBox, Studio and Score.

When they decided to restructure the prices they took the opportunity to remove ToolBox as it was not as popular as Studio or Score. At the end of the day it is the price that counts and I believe they are offering VS Pro Studio and VS Pro Score at very attractive prices.

So basically, VS Pro Studio with Time Signatures is called VS Pro Score. I know that seems like a flippant answer but in reality it is unlikely they will add time signatures in any other editor in the near future.

I, personally, am glad you brought this issue up because I didn't know this feature wasn't available in Studio. Knowing that, I will no longer tell people the ONLY difference between Studio and Score is Notation. That additional time signature feature also helps to justify the $100 price difference between the two.

And as usual, if anyone out there reading this has any issues regarding VS Pro, Datsonics welcomes you to contact them directly for assistance. They are there to help you. smiley
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« Reply #2 on: Apr 27th, 2006, 05:46am »

Thanks for the background history, Funky.

In the end, I am glad to say that I purchased Pro Score. It will be educational playing with the notation part of the program and I imagine it will be useful for printing out chord progessions for band mates, to start with.

Btw, the prices at COMPUMUSIC recently dropped by $10 for Pro Studio ($174.74) and Pro Score ($262.30)... pretty darn good deals!

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« Reply #3 on: Apr 27th, 2006, 07:43am »

on Apr 8th, 2006, 01:57am, Mike Strat wrote:
I would like Datasonics to update VS Pro STUDIO to include the ability to insert multiple time signatures within a song (e.g.; 4/4, 2/4, 4/4, 3/4, 4/4)... as can be done in VS Pro SCORE.

My reasoning is that multiple signature changes can be entered into the Tempo Map on the VS recorders and, as such, I would not like having to pay extra for Score (nearly $100) to retain a feature my recorder already has.

Thank you. Mike smiley


Man, you guys are way ahead of me on this stuff!! rolleyes
What, pray tell, is the benefit of being able to enter multiple signature changes in the tempo map on the VS recorders. I apologize, but I feel like a real stupidiot huh when it comes to these advanced features and capabilities.
I think maybe Mike brought this up somewhere on this forum before and I asked the same question before, but I slept since then. wink
Any insight on this would be greatly appreciated!

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« Reply #4 on: Apr 27th, 2006, 4:40pm »

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What, pray tell, is the benefit of being able to enter multiple signature changes in the tempo map on the VS recorders.

Actually, there is only one benefit to it. If your song calls for multiple time signature changes, then this feature will mean the world to you.

If you write your songs in one time signature only (like the majority of songs) then having this feature will not matter at all.

James, I wouldn't worry about this feature if I were you. Based on your reaction to this topic, I can assure you that all the songs you write and play are one time signature. So are mine... and like I said before, so are the majority of songs.

Writing a song with multiple time signature changes is not something you do by accident. It's not easy to do. You find this sort of thing in heavy jazz and fusion arrangements or music where the artist is trying to be EXTREMELY creative, imo. smiley
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« Reply #5 on: Apr 27th, 2006, 4:59pm »

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music where the artist is trying to be EXTREMELY creative, imo. smiley


Yep that rules me out! grin
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« Reply #6 on: Apr 27th, 2006, 9:59pm »

The Beatles tune "Here Comes the Sun" is an example of a tune with quite a few time signature changes. During the interlude where they sing "Sun, sun, sun, here it comes" a number of times, the time signature varies between 2/4, 3/8 (triplet feel), 5/8 and 4/4.

I covered that tune quite some time ago... which included programming a sequencer and a drum machine in which the length of the parts varied according to the various time signatures.

Actually for the 5/8 time signature, I broke it up into 3/8 and 2/8 (the same result mathmatically).

Anyway, the song would not have sounded as authentic if I did not do all that... and it sounded cool.

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« Reply #7 on: Apr 28th, 2006, 07:26am »

Man, I really like that song.

You must be a drummer.....maybe? Although your screen name Mike Strat would indicate you play a Fender Strat....maybe? grin
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« Reply #8 on: Apr 28th, 2006, 3:07pm »

on Apr 27th, 2006, 4:40pm, FunkyBeat wrote:
Writing a song with multiple time signature changes is not something you do by accident. It's not easy to do. You find this sort of thing in heavy jazz and fusion arrangements or music where the artist is trying to be EXTREMELY creative, imo. smiley


Besides the Beatles reference, Led Zeppelin was notorious for ts changes. I've found that I've done it a couple of times, and even twice by accident. I had a song with a break in the chorus, and it just didn't sound right to wait two more beats to kick back into the verse, so I wound up with a song in 4/4 that had a chorus that ended in a 2/4 measure. One other time, I only dropped one beat to end in a 3/4 measure. In Zeppelin's case, it's usually around a syncopated rhythm. Listen to "the Ocean" and try to count it out... Bonzo was the difference between that band and the imitators that followed...
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« Reply #9 on: Apr 28th, 2006, 5:32pm »

on Apr 28th, 2006, 3:07pm, Cellar Audio wrote:
Listen to "the Ocean" and try to count it out... Bonzo was the difference between that band and the imitators that followed...


The main lick in the song is 4/4 - 7/8
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« Reply #10 on: Apr 28th, 2006, 5:35pm »

I learned the hard way, like 2 hours later. The only way to enter multiple time sig's is in the notation editor.

The new original I'm working on is has quite a few time sig changes
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« Reply #11 on: Jan 6th, 2009, 06:11am »

Hiya everybody! I've been on a recording hiatus for a long, long time but will now be getting back into it I am happy to say. grin

Anywho, I don't know what I was thinking when I stated in this thread that I have VS Pro Studio. duhhh.... I have VS Pro Score! cheesy And, as such, I CAN indeed insert "multiple time signature changes" in a song like I want to... which, as Byron stated, is done in the Notation Editor! I'll be experimenting with that to see how it works out and will post my results.

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« Reply #12 on: Jan 7th, 2009, 1:41pm »

Mike Strat?

 :mg: Holy cow man! I thought you dropped off the face of the earth!  :laugh:

Glad to hear from you and that's great that you discovered that you had SCORE all this time. I hope it all works out for you.  :clap2:
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« Reply #13 on: Jan 9th, 2009, 8:38pm »

TY TY TY Vince (aka FunkyBeat)! It's good to see that YOU still come around here!  :coffee: I've been pretty busy, including studying Spanish, kayaking, skiing, yard work... and the list goes on and on. I've actually been playing guitar and singing tunes at parties now and then... but now it's time to get back into recording.  :guitar:

And as far as me "discovering" that I have ProScore instead of ProStudio... the only thing that makes sense to me is that I was using the ProStudio DEMO software when I started this thread, but then decided to buy ProScore so I COULD have the "multiple time signatures"!  :yb:
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« Reply #14 on: Jan 10th, 2009, 09:38am »

 :agree:

Welcome back, Mike! Good to see you back here.
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